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Re: Over 100,000 Poisoned by Herbs/Supplements/Vitamins/ Etc in 2003
2005-08-13 19:58:22
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:19:48 GMT, "Skeptic"
stated: > >"dali" >news:rctrf1purd0gepdesip23uq7fqp6ta28p8@4ax.com... >> On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 03:55:18 GMT, "Skeptic" >> stated: >> >>> >>>"dali" >>>news:1123860861.868241.316830@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >>>> >Rath is a moron. Crohn's is incurable. Like I posted in other threads, >>>> >I >>>>>have a close friend with it and he has tried everything, including ever >>>>>crackpot treatment found on the net. Nothing works. >>>> >>>> I post scientific evidence that crohn's is an infection >>> >>>Your post actually said that it may be related to an infection. There is >>>no >>>data showing this is, in fact, a medical fact. >>> >> I've studied (and have had) a disease almost my whole life. >> There's the link I posted earlier and if you get a chance go through >> the hundreds of postings concerning disease in sci.med.lyme.(see >> california lyme postings) IMO there's just no question about it and by >> all means stay skeptical. > >Postings on usenet don't account for medical truism. I have close friends >with Crohn's and have seen plenty of patients with it. And yes, there have >been plenty on abx for a various number of reasons. While I'm open to the >possibility of a link to an infectious etiology, this is simply not a proven >fact. Worth studying further? Sure. And I'm certain people are. Worth >changing current treatments based on available data? Nope. > She post pubmed articles. hundreds of them for which we all appreciate. What would you do if you had crohn's? stay on steroids or explore the possibility of an infectious etiology?
2005-08-13 17:50:06
Steroids are not the only med to help control, hopefully, crohn's disease.
I have been on pred for three weeks only once and that is because I went on a cruise and refused to cancel for surgery. I am on Pentasa which so far is doing fine for me. UM MOM Susan >>>>"dali" > She post pubmed articles. hundreds of them for which we all > appreciate. > What would you do if you had crohn's? stay on steroids or explore the > possibility of an infectious etiology?
2005-08-14 14:20:23
"dali" news:m1ksf1ho0n3q4c4av3qvi8q8jmreg2f803@4ax.com... > On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:19:48 GMT, "Skeptic" > stated: > >> >>"dali" >>news:rctrf1purd0gepdesip23uq7fqp6ta28p8@4ax.com... >>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 03:55:18 GMT, "Skeptic" >>> stated: >>> >>>> >>>>"dali" >>>>news:1123860861.868241.316830@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >>>>> >Rath is a moron. Crohn's is incurable. Like I posted in other >>>>> >threads, >>>>> >I >>>>>>have a close friend with it and he has tried everything, including >>>>>>ever >>>>>>crackpot treatment found on the net. Nothing works. >>>>> >>>>> I post scientific evidence that crohn's is an infection >>>> >>>>Your post actually said that it may be related to an infection. There >>>>is >>>>no >>>>data showing this is, in fact, a medical fact. >>>> >>> I've studied (and have had) a disease almost my whole life. >>> There's the link I posted earlier and if you get a chance go through >>> the hundreds of postings concerning disease in sci.med.lyme.(see >>> california lyme postings) IMO there's just no question about it and by >>> all means stay skeptical. >> >>Postings on usenet don't account for medical truism. I have close friends >>with Crohn's and have seen plenty of patients with it. And yes, there >>have >>been plenty on abx for a various number of reasons. While I'm open to the >>possibility of a link to an infectious etiology, this is simply not a >>proven >>fact. Worth studying further? Sure. And I'm certain people are. Worth >>changing current treatments based on available data? Nope. >> > > She post pubmed articles. hundreds of them for which we all > appreciate. > What would you do if you had crohn's? stay on steroids or explore the > possibility of an infectious etiology? You don't seem to read very well. My post, as above, says it IS worth studying further. However, none of the articles have any definitive sort of proof that crohn's is an infectious process. None. If it were an obvious infectious problem, then the treatment would have been tailored to that... or do you think you know better than the gastroenterologists who are studying this disease day in and day out?
2005-08-14 15:38:40
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:24:05 GMT, "Skeptic"
stated: >Nothing new in this post. It shows that there is active research in the >topic of crohn's as possibly having an infectious aspect/etiology. It's >interesting, but not new and not anywhere near being proven. The data is >very weak, at best. Again, worth pursuing to see if there is any hope >following this road, but for now, nothing more than one of dozens theories >out there. I don't know why you're so excited about this particular theory >as opposed to all the others. Occam's Razor
2005-08-14 17:15:49
"dali"
> On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:24:05 GMT, "Skeptic" > stated: > >>Nothing new in this post. It shows that there is active research in the >>topic of crohn's as possibly having an infectious aspect/etiology. It's >>interesting, but not new and not anywhere near being proven. The data is >>very weak, at best. Again, worth pursuing to see if there is any hope >>following this road, but for now, nothing more than one of dozens theories >>out there. I don't know why you're so excited about this particular >>theory >>as opposed to all the others. > > Occam's Razor Please detail the logic behind this decision of yours. moo
2005-08-15 06:05:38
Why don't all of you check out www.ccfa.org and see what new is in clinical
trials and what other things are being done to try to help those with IBD. There really is a lot of scientific research going on, not enough in my opinion but that's because I have it, but there is new things learned like genetics, MAP (your antibiotic idea in use for some and it has worked for some too!). There are new meds being developed, the use of alternates like Probiotics and Prebiotics, worms (available in the UK, I believe) and a lot more is available for you to read about on this site. UM MOM Susan "Happy Dog" news:9wOLe.5290$kz6.160421@news20.bellglobal.com... > "dali" >> On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:24:05 GMT, "Skeptic" >> stated: >> >>>Nothing new in this post. It shows that there is active research in the >>>topic of crohn's as possibly having an infectious aspect/etiology. It's >>>interesting, but not new and not anywhere near being proven. The data is >>>very weak, at best. Again, worth pursuing to see if there is any hope >>>following this road, but for now, nothing more than one of dozens >>>theories >>>out there. I don't know why you're so excited about this particular >>>theory >>>as opposed to all the others. >> >> Occam's Razor > > Please detail the logic behind this decision of yours. > > moo > |
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