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Tylosin tartrate
2006-03-27 12:25:36
Just as a matter of curiosity I'd like to know if any vets use tylosin
tartrate (Tylan soluble) for dogs. From what I've been able to figure out, it's not currently labeled for use in dogs (apparently studies on dogs were done at one point), though some vets use it for SIBO. Since it's an OTC antibiotic in the US, is it considered a prescription medicine when used off label? Could someone legally sell a dog treat laced with an unknown amount of Tylan? www.angelseyesonline.com buglady take out the dog before replying
2006-03-28 22:41:52
buglady wrote:
> Just as a matter of curiosity I'd like to know if any vets use tylosin > tartrate (Tylan soluble) for dogs. From what I've been able to figure out, > it's not currently labeled for use in dogs (apparently studies on dogs were > done at one point), though some vets use it for SIBO. Since it's an OTC > antibiotic in the US, is it considered a prescription medicine when used off > label? Could someone legally sell a dog treat laced with an unknown amount > of Tylan? > taste of the Tylan. That better be one great-tasting treat to fool the dog! Tylan is used fairly often in the treatment of inflammatory bowel disease in dogs. As with most livestock antibiotics, it is available without a veterinary prescription. On the down side, the injudicious use of livestock antibiotics may be part of the reason the world is seeing more resistant microbes overall. I can't tell you the specific legalities of the general public using livestock antibiotics on domestic animals. I'd guess most state's laws say you can treat your own pet with whatever drug you want, as long as it's not cruelty. I would think the law states it's illegal to sell an antibiotic that's licensed for livestock use to domestic animals over the counter. If it were legal, I'm sure there would be products on the market using numerous antibiotics labeled for livestock to "improve" your dog's or cat's life. Sandy Christmus, DVM
2006-03-29 15:59:15
"Sandy Christmus, DVM" news:2mnWf.1788$IG.784@dukeread01... >As with most livestock antibiotics, it is available without a veterinary antibiotics may be part of the reason the world is > seeing more resistant microbes overall. .......Amen! The issue of bird flu is nothing compared to having only one antibiotic left to treat bacterial infections. RESISTANCE ISSUES Microb Drug Resist. 2005 Winter;11(4):395-403. Presence and mechanism of antimicrobial resistance among enterococci from cats and dogs. Leener ED, Decostere A, De Graef EM, Moyaert H, Haesebrouck F. Department of Pathology, Bacteriology and Poultry Diseases, Faculty of Veterinary Medicine, Ghent University, Salisburylaan 133, B-9820 Merelbeke, Belgium. ellen.deleener@UGent.be The presence and mechanism of acquired resistance to erythromycin, tylosin, lincomycin, quinupristin/dalfopristin, tetracycline, chloramphenicol, gentamicin, kanamycin, and vancomycin were determined in 97 and 104 enterococci isolated from rectal swabs of cats and dogs, respectively. Eleven feline and three canine enterococcal isolates contained the aac(6')-Ie-aph(2'')-Ia gene encoding high-level resistance to gentamicin, an antibiotic often used for treating enterococcal infections in humans. The combination of erm(B) and vat(E) genes encoding resistance to streptogramins was detected in one canine quinupristin/dalfopristin-resistant Enterococcus faecium isolate. Four quinupristin/dalfopristin-resistant enterococci only contained the erm(B) gene. Cross resistance against macrolides and lincosamides (30%) and resistance against tetracyclines (55%) was found to be widely distributed among enterococci from pets. In all of the feline and in 93% of the canine macrolide and lincosamide-resistant isolates, this resistance was encoded by the erm(B) gene. tet(M) was the most prevalent tetracycline resistance gene. It was detected in 91% of the feline and 86% of the canine tetracycline- resistant enterococci. A high occurrence of the Tn916/Tn1545 transposon family was found among these tet(M)-positive isolates. Enterococci from pet animals with resistance against vancomycin were not found. This study shows that enterococci from the intestinal microbiota of cats and dogs may act as a reservoir of resistance genes for animal or human pathogens. PMID: 16359201 [PubMed - in process] .......Turns out a certain percentage goes through a dog's system unchanged and is voided in the urine, exposing the bacteria in the yard to a selection process. Recently they've found that innocuous bacteria can transfer resistance to pathogenic bacteria. And I'm sure it's a subclinical dose, which is another whole issue WRT bacterial resistance. And then there's cross resistance with erythromycin http://lib.bioinfo.pl/meid:17307 Competitive exclusion of a glycopeptide-resistant Enterococcus faecium in the presence of vancomycin but not equivalent concentrations of tylosin or gentamicin. T L Poole, K J Genovese, T R Callaway, K M Bischoff, C J Donskey, D J Nisbet The effect of subtherapeutic concentrations of antibiotics (10.0 and 40.0 microg/mL of vancomycin, gentamicin, and tylosin) on the efficacy of a mixed anaerobe culture of chicken microflora (CCF) was studied in a continuous-flow fermentation system. Efficacy of CCF posttreatment was assessed by challenge with glycopeptide-resistant Enterococcus faecium (GRE) at 6.0 log10 cfu/mL. Bacterial enumeration of endogenous CCF isolates, volatile fatty acid (VFA) analysis, and challenge with GRE indicated that CCF efficacy was affected by all antibiotic treatments. Although CCF treated with 10.0 microg/mL of vancomycin eliminated GRE13 at a rate of 0.61 log10 cfu/ mL per day, it was unable to eliminate E. coli, a gram-negative challenge organism. All other antibiotic treatments allowed GRE persistence at approximately 2.0 to 6.5 log10 cfu/mL. All antibiotic-treated cultures had decreased concentrations of acetic and propionic acids. Our data suggest that low concentrations of antimicrobials may adversely affect the microbial ecology of gut microflora with respect to its ability to exclude exogenous bacteria. Moreover, gentamicin had an adverse effect on the inhibitory stringency of CCF even though it showed little anti-anaerobic activity against CCF strict anaerobes in pure culture. Verification of the results in live animals will be necessary to determine if antimicrobial treatment could compromise the effectiveness of normal microflora to serve as a natural host defense against infection. Poult Sci. 2004 Jul ;83:1099-105 More at same url above: In vitro Susceptibility and a New Point Mutation Associated with Tylosin-Resistance in Japanese Canine Intestinal Spirochetes. Nuvee Prapasarakul, Kozo Ochi, Yoshikazu Adachi The in vitro suscetibilities of six commonly used antimicrobial agents against 29 isolates of intestinal spirochetes isolated from dogs in Japan were examined by the agar dilution technique. In addition, the genetic basis of tylosin resistance in in vitro selected resistant mutants of two reference strains and three tylosin-susceptible field isolates obtained by three successive subcultures on blood agar containing 1 microg/ml of tylosin was investigated. Carbadox was the most active (MIC: < 0.00625) of all the antimicrobial agents. Although all the isolates were susceptible to tylosin, some were resistant to erythromycin. Tiamulin, lincomycin and dimetridazole were also very active against the isolates. All the resistant isolates did not harbor any plasmids. In vitro selected tylosin-resistant mutants of previously tylosin-susceptible isolates showed a new mutation in which their adenine at the base position equivalent to 2,062 of 23S rDNA of Escherichia coli has been replaced by cytosine. These findings may both provide guidance towards the proper choice of antimicrobial agents for the treatment of canine intestinal spirochetosis, and add to the understanding of the genetic basis of tylosin resistance. J Vet Med Sci. 2003 Dec ;65:1275-80 Multiple antibiotic resistance gene transfer from animal to human enterococci in the digestive tract of gnotobiotic mice. C Moubareck, N Bourgeois, P Courvalin, F Doucet-Populaire It has been proposed that food animals represent the source of glycopeptide resistance genes present in enterococci from humans. We demonstrated the transfer of vanA and of other resistance genes from porcine to human Enterococcus faecium at high frequency in the digestive tract of gnotobiotic mice. Tylosin in the drinking water favored colonization by transconjugants. Antimicrob Agents Chemother. 2003 Sep ;47:2993-6 ...Lots more good stuff at above site including this: Tylosin-resistant bacteria cultivated from agricultural soil. Leslie J Onan, Timothy M LaPara .............I am also curious how many of these dogs end up with chronic GI problems down the line. Might be a question to ask a client who has a GI upset dog with white fur and no tear stains! What do vets tell people who want to address this issue? I can't tell you the specific legalities of the general public using livestock antibiotics on domestic > animals. I'd guess most state's laws say you can treat your own pet > with whatever drug you want, as long as it's not cruelty. ....yeah, nothing to stop me from going to a farm store and getting antibiotics for my dog/cat or myself. Selling it without a vet license for specific use in a cat/dog, is a different issue and one I intend to pursue. >I would think the law states it's illegal to sell an antibiotic that's > livestock use to domestic animals over the counter. .......That's what I thought. The label is the law. And since it's not labeled for dogs or cats it ought to be illegal to sell it as such. There ought to at least be all the standard things on the label that there are on a bottle of antibiotics such as dose and expiration date. Wading through the FDA site, however, is proving to be a PITA! I'm sure there are also state laws WRT antibiotic use, for example certainly CA law is liable to be different. ;-) If it were legal, > I'm sure there would be products on the market using numerous > antibiotics labeled for livestock to "improve" your dog's or cat's life. ......Well, unfortunately that's what's happening. Turns out the tear stain site is the tip of the iceburg: http://www.calvetsupply.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=18 http://www.calvetsupply.com/index.asp?PageAction=COMPANY *We also have a wide variety of human grade antibiotics, none of which require a prescription !* Angel's Glow - another tear stain product, which doesn't even tell you that an Tylosin is an antibiotic: http://www.pamperedpetboutique.net/grooming.html Other info on Tylan: http://www.inchem.org/documents/jecfa/jecmono/v29je08.htm http://www.emea.eu.int/pdfs/vet/mrls/020597en.pdf Thanks for your reply. Appreciate it. Sorry to go on and on. I was alarmed before, now I'm just downright mad...... buglady take out the dog before replying |
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