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Re: Moronic rantings
2005-10-17 20:03:41
HOWEDY matty,
Rocky wrote: > "Stumpy" > rec.pets.dogs.health: > > > How do I set my news reader to ignore any posts > > that are 10KB in size? > > So people don't have to look in your headers, it's > a good idea to mention which newsreader you're using. > (FWIW, Stumpy's using MS Outlook Express 6.00.) That was VERY heelpful, eh matty? Is this what stumpy is afraid of?: From: Rocky (mbon...@sunada.com) Subject: Re: Leg Humper Date: 1999/09/14 Bioso...@aol.com (Jerry Howe) wrote in <37D698CF.405B0...@bellsouth.net>: >By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume that you are >suggesting that the people knee the dog in the chest. If >that's what you meant, just say it, instead of beating around >the bush to avoid criticism from people like me. That kind of >crap has got to stop, and that's why I'm here, to help wean >you guys off of the abuse and into the proper methods of >dealing with behavior problems. Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation up until this last paragraph. Why did you blow it? --Matt "Rocky" <> wrote in message news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@130.133.1.4... > Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: > > When you compare using sound and > > praise to solve a problem with using > > shock collars, hanging, and punishment > > how can you criticize the use of sound? > There's nothing more to be said, then. > You've made up your mind. > But you've impressed me by mentioning > that you're a professor with 30 years of > experience. > So, can you cite some examples of > people recommending "shock collars, > hanging, and punishment"? > -- > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! > > > Jerome Bigge writes: > > > I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often > > > make the dog either aggressive or a fear biter, > > > neither of which we want to do. > > And neither does anyone else, Jerome. > > No matter what Jerry Howe states. > > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. "Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For Dealing With This (Destructive Separation Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33 Years Experience. You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for her coment above regarding her success with The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy Separation Anxiety / Bed Time Calming / Submissive Urination Technique (STSA/BTC/SUT)? Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z, who commented that his bed time calming technique was quite similar? > > You're scary Marilyn. > > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual. > > I feel very sorry for her and her family. "His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry. Your Method Takes Positive Training To The Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce, Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience. > > BUT, giving you the benefit of the > > doubt, please provide a quote (an > > original quote, not from one of Jerry > > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that > > shows a regular poster promoting or > > using an abusive form of training. > > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! Is that true, Marilyn? Of course not~ but THIS IS: "Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap," professora gingold. "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens, But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, author: "Courteous Canine." "I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as possible. What does this mean? When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior." --Mike Dufort author of the zero selling book "Courteous Canines" sinofabitch writes: > >> What I have said- repeatedly - is that he took > >> posts from two different people, > >> took pieces of them out of context, > >> cobbled them together, > >> then added his own words: "Neatly," and "Smartly." > >>and a fake signature. "sinofabitch" instead of sionnach. > >> Which is exactly what he did. > >> The actual quote is misleading > >> when taken out of context, and Jerry's > >> faked "quote" is downright meaningless. > >Here's Jerry's version > > "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My > > Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder, > > Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My > > Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side, > > Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into > > Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And > > Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch. > >Here's yours; > > "I dropped the leash, threw my > > right arm over the Lab's shoulder, > > grabbed her opposite foot with my > > left hand, rolled her on her side, > > leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and > > nipped her ear. > > --Sara Sionnach BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!! That's INSANE. Ain't it. "When you get bagged for lying you're MARKED FOR LIFE," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY. BWEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!! lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver: For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it. When he barks, use the line for a correction. - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar. Lynn K. > ================ That's INSANE. Ain't it. "Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM" mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web. You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY??? "Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie. You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER? "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens, But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author: "Courteous Canine." You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING is COURTEOUS? "I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as possible. What does this mean?" Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude. "When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior." You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR? --Mike Dufort author of the zero selling book "Courteous Canines" And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote: "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." "Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder, expert trainer, discoverer of cannibalism in Labradors. You think a EXXXPERT trainer got to BEAT a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT? "Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl, discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors. Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies HURT all their lives like HOWE HOWER dog lovers PREFER to HURT THEIR DOGS? "John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the rump with a training stick while holding him partially off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back to the line and cast him back to the dummies." The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE. We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL... terri willis, Psychoclown wrote: "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw him down by his ears and climb all over it like a raped ape growling into his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop it on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar or pop him in the snout with the heel of your palm. "BethF" news:ugc7us32ki5fb9@corp.supernews.com... > "Frank" > news:d2f1624e.0206101912.2980eb03@posting.google.com... > > dfrntdr...@aol.comMURK-OFF (Leah) wrote in message > > > >"brianev" bria...@attbi.com wrote: > > > > I ENJOYED reading your book, and > > > > AGREED with what you had to say. > > > > I find it sick to hear what people > > > > do with their dogs. > > > Keep in mind that everything he says that > > > the regular posters of this ng do to their > > > dogs are lies. > > > All of it. Every last bit. > > All of it? > > Ear pinching? > > Shock collars? > > Spiked chokers? > > The regulars lie more in their denials than > > Howe does in his accusing of them. > Uh, Frank? Who do you see denying anything? > Its quite interesting that a newbie like yourself > would see denials when everyone has Jerry > killfiled and therefore don't even read his posts, > let alone respond to them. news:a3h5qn$mra$1@uwm.edu... > >Di, > I don't believe you mentioned a particular > kind of training. If you are interested in > training retrieval behavior than do > consider our own Amy Dahl's: > The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a > Well-Mannered, Obedient and > Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a > Day by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl You failed to mention your pals the dahls are proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:" "I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything But Destructive," LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog. "I don't see why anyone would want to choke or beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get a good working dog by making them unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl. DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE TRUTH? > just $17.95 at Amazon.com. > (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the > few regulars here who are either ill- > tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.) > --Marshall Or HOWE about HOWER just plain CRUEL STUPID and ABUSIVE DOG ABUSERS, professor SCRUFF SHAKE? amy lying frosty dahl continues: "On the other extreme, the really hard dogs we have trained require much more frequent and heavy application of pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done, This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and the job is not done until it is overcome Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply" BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE... "Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch" OR ATTACKING HIS ABUSER. "You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try using the stick and no ear pinch. When the dog is digging out to beat the stick and seems totally reliable without any ear pinch, you are finished This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and the job is not done until it is overcome" If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin, say "No! Hold!" (stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because the ear is getting tender, or the dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying frosty dahl. "Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap," professora gingold. From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu) In article <38CC0C43.94E2D...@earthlink.net> rhurw...@earthlink.net writes: >> -snip headers etc. >> Yes. you're right, I really should find >> the book.. they don't have these books >> in the local pet stores I frequent, where >> do you find Koehler? > I got a nice large print copy from > Amazon.com >Richard Please try Powell's Books in Portland Oregon. Their URL is: http://www.powells.com/ Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both new and used books on its shelves. You can order books via e-email. Koehler Method Of Dog Training by Koehler, W R Published by HOWELL BOOK HOUSE (0876056575, ======================================================== Here's some quotes and some methods right outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and scream "NO!" into its face for 5 seconds:" "The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York: Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)." Hanging "First, the trainer makes certain that the collar and leash are more than adequate for any jerk or strain that the dog's most frantic actions could cause. Then he starts to work the dog deliberately and fairly to the point where the dog makes his grab. Before the teeth have reached their target, the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from the ground. As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems the dog is suspended in mid-air. However, to let the biting dog recover his footing while he still had the strength to renew the attack would be cruelty. The only justifiable course is to hold him suspended until he has neither the strength nor inclination to renew the fight. When finally it is obvious that he is physically incapable of expressing his resentment and is lowered to the ground, he will probably stagger loop-legged for a few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll over on his side. The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued, on his side, is not pleasant, but do not let it alarm you THE REAL "HOOD" "If your dog is a real "hood" who would regard the foregoing types of protest as "kid stuff" and would express his resentment of your efforts by biting, your problem is difficult -- and pressing. "Professional trainers often get these extreme problems. Nearly always the "protest biter" is the handiwork of a person who, by avoiding situations that the dog might resent, has nurtured the seeds of rebellion and then cultivated the resultant growth with under correction. When these people reap their inevitable and oftentimes painful harvest, they are ready to avail themselves of "the cruel trainer" whose advice they may have once rejected because it was incompatible with the sugary droolings of mealy- mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies, and dog psychologists who, by the broken skins and broken hearts their misinformation causes, can be proven guilty of the greatest act of cruelty to animals since the dawn of time. "With more genuine compassion for the biting dog than would ever be demonstrated by those who are "too kind" to make a correction and certainly with more disregard for his safety, the professional trainer morally feels obligated to perform a "major operation." "Since we are presently concerned with the dog that bites in resentment of the demands of training, we will set our example in that situation. (In a later chapter we will deal with the with the much easier problem of the dog that bites someone other than his master." Are we havin FUN yet? From: Mark Shaw (m...@bangnetcom.com) Subject: Re: Fido-Shock Date: 2002-04-10 14:12:18 PST In article "Coleman Brumley" >Has anyone had experience with this product (Fido-Shock). >If so, what model number, voltage, etc.? If you're talking about the pet-grade hotwire system, I have one. It's to keep boarded dogs out of my flowers. >I have a 1.5 year St Bernard who is scaling (not clearing -- >more like falling over) our 4 foot fence to visit with owners >walking their dogs. I thought of raising the fence a foot or >so, but don't think that'll solve the problem. I've tried >watching her outside, and give a stern "NO" when she >props on the fence for a peek over it. No avail. >I've heard this product works after just a couple of tries. I take it you're considering running the wire across the top of the fence? I don't think I'd recommend that, although it may be worth a try. Watch closely -- the one case where I saw a hotwire used in this fashion caused the dog undue stress and frustration, and he tried even harder to get over the fence. So be prepared to take it down right away. That was a Dane, though. With a Saint things might be different. -- Mark Shaw culprit's dogs MURDERED her kat for standin behind their SHOCK FENCE just like HOWE liea's dog attacked her only friend and tried to attack two little kids for standin in her SHOCK ZONE: From: culprit (culp...@flashmail.com) Subject: Re: Video clip......."Nero" practicing bark alert, while walking backwards Date: 2004-06-05 18:53:50 PST "micha el" news:yIydnZpPsIzg6l_d4p2dnA@comcast.com... > Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what > it felt like to me when I got shocked by > Hope's collar. > It felt like a bomb going off in my > hand and forearm. -------------------------------- "Tricia9999" news:20021117101433.10365.00000067@mb-cg.aol.com... > >> how effective are these electronic fences in > >> keeping a dog on a property???? > Some run through it. Others get shocked and become > too scared to go out in the yard anymore. > Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog, > because the dog got caught right in the path of > the shock and will now not go near his person, > won't go outside. > Just hides under a desk in the house. BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!! "I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe. Humane is one of those hot words that people can debate all day so I won't touch that one. There are people who would call a regular chain link fence inhumane," liea altshuller. "I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the whole cruelty thread again so I'll state my opinion once and won't defend it further: any method can be cruel for some dogs. Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the beginning, but w e'vecomealongwaysincethen.Shetrusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post. Point is, she's been rewarded for coming, but she's never been punished, even in the mildest way, for not coming. Is it time for that? What might I look for to tell?" "Julia Altshuler" news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@attbi_s51... > After talking with the vet yesterday and watching > Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking > is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue > keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything > up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological-- > and the vet agrees. > --Lia "Things are beginning to get much worse day by day and the vets seem unable to help. http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusMed.WMV http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusSmall.WMV" THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and ASYLUM ESCAPEES. BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!! http://tinyurl.com/389al In this video, the dog is constantly jerking his head all around. I'm not SHORE why he's doing that. If he's doing it because he is being shocked repeatedly into getting onto that skateboard, then it is my opinion that Fred Hassen is a dog abuser in the extreme. As would anyone be, no matter how much "experience" they had shocking dogs, nor how nationally "respected" they are/were. If, HOWEver, the dog is jerking his head all around because he is happy and for no other reason, well, then, never mind. I've just never seen this kind of behavior from a dog before, so maybe Fred can explain what would cause a dog to move his head like that. Here's a other: http://tinyurl.com/2v9oh "J1Boss" news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@mb-m18.aol.com... > He was next to me and I could see his neck > muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye. > Janet Boss news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de... > "J1Boss" > news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@mb-m17.aol.com... > > > I can't imagine needing anything higher > > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive > > > dog like a Lab. An INSENSITIVE DOG??? > > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but > > I had apointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9. > > BUT, giving you the benefit of the > > doubt, please provide a quote (an > > original quote, not from one of Jerry > > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that > > shows a regular poster promoting or > > using an abusive form of training. > > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! THAT'S sumpthin to be PR-HOWED abHOWET, eh matty?
2005-10-17 20:19:14
HOWEDY janet,
Janet Puistonen wrote: > Marcel Beaudoin wrote: > > Rocky <2dogs@rocky-dog.com> wrote in > > news:Fri96F26218C57E8australianshepherdca@rocky-dog.com: > > > >> "Stumpy" > >> rec.pets.dogs.health: > >> > >>> How do I set my news reader to ignore any posts that are > >>>> 10KB in size? > > Use Tools/Message Rules/Blocked senders list to block > all of Jerry Howe's aliases. You can just copy them > (Cntrl + C) from his posts and paste them (Cntrl + V). > It'll take you just a few minutes, and is well worth it. HOWEDY janet, Janet Puistonen wrote: > Anyone know of a good way to halt a developing hot spot? There's several NEARLY INSTANTLY successful ways to HEEL a hot spot, janet, but you'll NEVER FIGGER IT HOWET. NOT IN THIS LIFETIME. > One of my dogs has a tendency to develop a hot > spot in a certain area of his throat. Yeah. That's probbably an obsessive compulsive behavior, not a REAL "hot spot." Dogs often self mutilate when they're STRESSED like HOWE your dog is, what with all the jerking and choking EVERY TIME you take IT on leash for a leisurely walk and the crating and the shittin in your HOWES. > Ironically, since this small area has been shaved several > times over the years because of this, it is now less > protected than the rest of his ruff, and so more likely > to be bitten by insects, and so more likely to develop a > hot spot..... Well janet, you'll just have to get used to it. > I had a spray bottle of a topical wound treatment from > the vet, which he recommended using for this purpose, You AIN'T gonna HEEL self mutilation with drugs. > but as it happens I'm all out of it and naturally >I noticed a developing irritation on his throat on > Saturday afternnon. (What is it about Saturday > afternoon? I swear, my dogs must know when the > vet's office is closed, because they only develop > issues then!) Yeah. 90% of your veterinary care is for iatrogentic / idiopathic STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASES aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME <{); ~ ) > But your vet won't tell you that EVEN IF he knew, and he PROBABLY DON'T. There's only a FEW vets who KNOW THAT, and THEY'RE READIN THIS as we speak. > I'd like to get something on it before Monday, You could stop her EXXXCESSIVE scratchin NHOWE if you wasn't a freakin lyin dog abusing punk thug coward mental case SHELTER / RESCUE DOG LOVER. > if possible, so that what is now a mere > irritation doesn't develop into an actual > problem. Perhaps she needs a nice shot of cortison so she can piss all over your HOWES for a week? > Does hydrogen peroxide work for this? Better ask vet. Ask sharon too or dra. deb former US Army vet WHAT THEY'D SELL YOU. >Any other ideas? Yeah, but you ain't cut HOWET for THAT... "Hennie van Dalen" My dog (a 1 year old Yellow Lab) was biting his tail at the root (Vet said his anal gland was blocked, and was causing an itch). After squeezing it, he still wouldn't stop biting his tail. The vet advised a neck-funnel (don't know wat you US-guy's call those) so he couldn't reach his butt. I hate those things, i think they will drive a dog nuts. I tried the wits end method. (difficult to read such a long textfile if English is not your native language) Luckily this is without all the "HOWE's" etc.so at least it's readable for somebody like me. The minute he started to bite i trew my key's next to him on the floor, and praised him (he stopped biting and looked up when he heard the sound) I did this 7 times, after that the tailbiting completely stopped. Just give the wits end method a try. One of the possible downloadlocations is http://www.doggydoright.com/id 3.html Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11 ---------------------------- "Paul B" news:3ff50d83@clear.net.nz... > Both my dogs at some stage have licked a spot > somewhere on their bodies and I have always > managed to train them to stop. In all cases there > was nothing wrong that licking would have helped > (Roz has had cut pads, stitches in her belly and > skin itrritations, all tempting her to lick), none of their > licking has been due to any allergies >. When I see the dog licking more than normal I > look at the spot to see whats there and decide if > a vet appointment is needed or to wait and see, > keeping a close eye. >To stop the licking I distract the dog and give it > some friendly banter, when it starts licking again > I repeat, usually after about 4 times the dog stops, > for the moment at least, if it starts again then repeat, > before long the dog has no more desire to lick that > spot at all. The same thing worked with my lab licking/chewing problem too. He had an itch due to blocked anal glands and started chewing and licking his tail at the root. After the glands were squeezed, and the itch was gone he still wouldn't stop. (because the place he chewed raw was itching) After some training (roughly the same methode as yours) he stopped. -- Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11 www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fo tografie/doggy-pictures/ -------------------------------------- "Hennie van Dalen" wrote in message news:TlsCb.2895$7U1.7896@amstwist00... RTFM is age-old computer lingo.... It stands for "Read The F***ing Manual" ;-) I used the manual and it works very good! But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed on A4-size paper) My lab is 1year old now, and teaching him something new takes about 30minutes (depending on what to teach offcourse) My other dog (a 7year old staffordshire terrier-mix) is a bit slower in learning, but he is used to me calling him a "bad dog"whenever he did something i didn't want him to do, or it might be the age. Sometimes it looks like Sam (the lab) WANTS to learn something new: he wants me to bring along the can filled with washers whenever we go for a walk. It is a very "humane" way of teaching: the dog is allways a "good dog", and never a "bad dog" There is nu punishment or prong-collars involved. For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min's without beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog, he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to "ask permission" first, and to my surprise it worked! My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky for them), maybe this helped too. Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id 3.html -- Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11 www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fo tografie/doggy-pictures/ "Ted Rumple" news:30aa784b.0309290208.135e9ab1@posting.google.com... > Jerry, I am forever in your debt. The system you have > created for training dogs is absolutely amazing! > I can't wait until the new version is available > for human children! > Thank you for your service to humanity! The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) > HOWEDY janet, Janet Puistonen wrote: > JediSpork@gmail.com wrote: > > hello. We have a new beagle puppy and the breeder > > started it on puppy chow. She just doesnt seem to > > like this food. With all due respect to Purina, it's GARBAGE. ALL commercial dog food is built to live on a shelf for six months and is only made for CONVIENIECE by folks who don't own a kitchen. > > I usually have to hand feed it to her unless she is > > really hungry. We have been leaving it in her crate > > at night and sometimes she eats a little of it. Yeah. It could be she's unhappy in the crate all alone. > > When the adult purina food is out for our other > > beagle the puppy loves it. That's because she's got COMPETITION. > > I try to keep it away from her as much as possible > > because she needs to be eating the puppy food. Both dogs would benefit from a fresh wholesome diet. > > Also of course the reverse happens and the adult > > dog goes after the puppy food and is always trying > > to stick her head in the bag. No problemo. Try to keep a dog from gettin sumpthin and that only makes them try harder to get it. You can train him not to do that in a couple minutes if you know HOWE. > > Should I try a change of food for the puppy? He probably needs to have milk or cottage cheese added to his diet if he's gonna go off of the puppy chow for a little while. > > I've also found the puppy will eat it up real > > quick if I mix some of the gravy from wet food. If he's been fed DRY then of curse he ain't gonna eat it. > > Maybe they sell just the gravy packets at the pet store? Maybe just follow the recipe I offered and check it out with the pup's veterinarian to make sure it's APPROVED by a veterinarian. > > She is definitely not starving but shes like > > a little baby and I have to sort of make it > > a play game for her to eat. That'll get her dependent on hand feeding. > > thanks > > I don't know about beagles, Right. You don't know NUTHIN about any dog, janet. > but plenty of large breed puppy breeders > put them on adult food at 8 weeks. CITES PLEASE, janet? Your posted case history shows you to have a lot of unsubstantiated opinions based on myth and phallusy. > I doubt that most puppies actually "need" puppy food. You DOUBT, janet? Aren't you SURE? > Most dogs eat more and more readily if there is competition. INDEED? > It's not unusual for a puppy by itself to eat less. > I wonder if you might try feeding both dogs adult > food and timing the meals to coincide as much as > possible (in other words, feed the adult twice, > morning and evening, and feed the puppy at the same > time with maybe an extra meal for the puppy in > between if he's on 3 a day). IMAGINE? > Failing that, you could try those Eukanuba supplement > "gravies"--caveat: I haven't looked at their ingredients, > so my assumption that they are nutritionally reasonable > may be false-- or there's an excellent supplement called > Nupro that can be made into a bit of a "gravy" with a > little warm water. That's nice, janet. > If I were you, I wouldn't change his food just for the > sake of chaging it. That tends to make dogs picky eaters > for life. That's absurd, janet. > And I wouldn't feed canned food with kibble either. For what reason? > Canned food is mostly junk, You mean, like dry dog chow? > it's bad for their teeth, CITES PLEASE? > and it's expensive. Yeah, but it's 75% moisture. > Another thing to consider is that an > awful lot of puppies are too fat. That so? > Yours may just be eating the amount he needs. You got a crystal ball, janet? HOWEDY janet, Janet Puistonen wrote: > Janet B wrote: > > On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:10:07 -0400, DaveR > > > > > Don't think "force" or "coax". Think - "let's go" - upbeat > > but keep moving - don't let him put on the brakes - put his > > leash on and get him moving and just keep going. > > Yup- Yup. JUST LIKE HOWE you done, eh janet? > -that's exactly what I do. THAT'S EXXXACTLY HOWE COME YOU GOT THE SAME PROBLEM, REMEMBER janet you dog abusing mental case? You got the same HOWEsbreaking and the same leash trainin PROBLEM for the same reason, janet, you freakin dog abusing MENTAL CASE. > And if she does put on the brakes I just keep moving And your dog spins and flip flops at the end of your leash choking and screaming. REMEMBER janet? THEN YOU WONDER HOWE COME IT SHITS IN YOUR HOWES JUST LIKE daver, REMEMBER janet? > and she starts walking again after brief resistance. EVERY TIME. BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHHAAA!!! HOWE COME you're givin daver advice for the SAME PROBLEMS YOU GOT AND CAN'T FIX, janet?: You can't even HOWEsbreak your own dog or train IT to walk on leash withHOWET CHOKIN: From: "Janet Puistonen" Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:08:16 GMT Subject: Re: Just Adopted from Rescue... Ronna wrote: > get her to focus and gain her trust, although the need for that > doesn't seem to be anywhere near as dire as we originally feared.) > At the moment, there is no way I would take her to a class, because > it would just overwhelm her. > > And I don't need a class to train her. Socialization > would be another issue.... Interestingly, she doesn't mind having the leash *on.* It's ambulating in the same direction in a sane manner that seems to be her issue. It's as if once she gets outdoors she loses her mind. I have the feeling that she was rarely walked, so she has no idea that she will be able to move about and explore unless she forcibly drags me around and bolts hither and yon. And it's not as if she simply acts determined to investigate particularly interesting smells or anything. It almost seems random. She's a very odd dog, and it is hard to tell if this behavior is learned or whether she is innately somewhat cuckoo. Or a combination of the two, of course. Now that she's had a couple of days to settle in, I'm going to start the sort of reward-based leash work you describe. > I encourage you to take classes, even though you say you don't need > them. Find a Positive Reinforcment based trainer, rather than one who > uses compulsion (choke chain) training. There is nothing wrong with > using food as reward, as long as you learn how to use it correctly. > Good luck! Why? You see, I've been to a lot of obedience classes with other dogs over the years, and taught my older dog to do all the basics (come, sit, stay, wait, down, stand, heel off lead and on, automatic sits, fetch) with hand signals *or* voice commands. (I did take him to classes for quite a while, actually, and of course they were very valuable, but he learned most of this before he went or outside of class, especially hand signals.) I'm certainly not saying that I am a fabulous dog trainer--I'm not, or my older boy would have an obedience title there is nothing to be learned in a class, but I am reasonably competent and as far as I can see classes would simply cause her to flip out now, and possibly for a long time to come. I use positive reinforcement already--especially with goldens, and especially with a spooky, fearful dog like her. So I really don't see any benefit for *her*, not me, at this point. Maybe eventually, after a lot of confidence building... Is there something else you think she would get out of a class at this stage? I agree that there is nothing wrong with using food for training, especially at first, and especially with a dog like her. As far as the choke thing goes, she has to be on a choke collar for safety reasons when outdoors. If she had a plain buckle collar, she could pull out of it backwards--and believe me, pulling backwards is one of her favorite moves One of my major concerns is getting her some good exercise, which I'm hoping would improve both her physical condition and her mental state. I think I'm going to have to use a flexi, since I don't feel I can let her loose to play and she simply can't take a walk on a regular 6-ft lead. I'm afraid that taking her out on the flexi will only encourage her crazy leash behavior, but I don't see what else to do at this point. Introducing New Dog to Household Cats From: "Janet Puistonen" Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 15:16:43 GMT Subject: Re: Introducing New Dog to Household Cats arp wrote: > What language is this post written in? > Is it some kind of secret code? > Can anyone with knowledge of the English language > help me to decipher it. Thank you. This is a post by the resident troll/lunatic of the various dog groups. He posts in the same style under a variety of aliases, but his real name is apparently Jerry Howe. He has been posting and cross-posting this way for at least 8 years or so. My advice would be to killfile as many of his aliases as you can, and ignore him. Don't feed the troll. (And remove his cross-posts if you are going to reply to him! Mon,Jun 20 2005 12:40 pm Subject: Re: Any help for housetraining set back? HOWEDY janet, Janet Puistonen wrote: > T...@dog-play.com wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 10:26:16 -0400 bizby40 > > whittled these words: > >> It's been 14 years since I last housetrained a dog. Your pal Master Of Deception blankman is a lying dog abusing punk thug coward mental case who chokes shocks locks dogs in boxes and beats them in the face with her shepherd's crook surgically mutilates dogs and lies abHOWET it. > > Intreesting question. Because when I try to answer it the > > first thing that springs to mind is to consider what is > > meant by "house trained". > We were just discussing that at home yesterday, That so? There's deep philosophical meaning associated with closely monitoring the BHOWEL habits of HOWER pets children and parents... > because my new rescue dog was supposedly "house trained," IMAGINE? HOWEsbreakin is INSTINCTIVE at four weeks of age, janet. > according to the forms from the shelter. People LIE when they send dogs to the "shelter" so the SHELTER DOG LOVERS will accept them and MAYBE NOT MURDER IT pryor to gettin a new HOWES that can tolerate the behaviors they're DUMPIN the dog over. If your SHELTERS knew HOWE to pupperly handle and train dogs they wouldn't NEED to take dogs HOWET of perfectly good HOWESES and lock them in boxes in someWON else's HOWES till IT can find a HOWES that'll tolerate those UNTRAINABLE behavior problems the dog is gettin DUMPED for. > But she is only partially so You mean she doesn't ALWAYS shit an piss in your HOWES, janet. > by my definition, You think there's great philosophical differences in the DEFINITIONS of HOWEsbroken, janet? > since she has accidents in the house. Dogs DO NOT HAVE "accidents" in the HOWES unless they're locked in for longer than reasonably long. OtherWIZE, dogs havin HOWEsbreakin "ACCIDENTS" are DOIN IT on accHOWENT of THEY'RE EITHER SICK or UNHAPPY, like HOWE your dog is, janet. > Despite being taken out every few hours on a fairly regular schedule, Well janet, THAT'S HOWE COME your dog can't CON-TRAIN hisslef, you've DISAVAILED him of the ABILITY to DEVELOP SELF-CON-TROLL. > she will relieve herself in the house if she feels > the need and she's able to sneak off. Your dog sneaks off to shit an piss in your HOWES on accHOWENT of she's AFRAID of you molesting her someMOORE, janet. > Unlike a new puppy, she won't actually do it in from of you. On accHOWENT Of LIKE a NEW puppy IT AIN'T LEARNED that you're gonna ASSAULT IT for messin in the HOWES. > My definition of house trained is "won't do it in the > house under normal circumstances no matter what, unless > sick." IOW, your dog AIN'T HOWEsbroken on accHOWENT of she's AFRAID OF YOU catchin her IN THE ACT, janet. You're a dog abusing mental case with a very long posted case history of hurting and intimidating dogs and LYIN abHOWET it. > (The workday thing doesn't some up since we are both > self employed and never leave the dog all day alone > indoors.) At least you don't leave IT alone indoors UNLESS you got IT locked in a cage too small to mess and not be FORCED to lie in shit and piss, like HOWE you PREFER: Newsgroups: soc.college.admissions From: "Janet Puistonen" Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:30:05 GMT Subject: Philosophy? Anyone know of any colleges or universities that are known to have outstanding undergraduate philosophy departments? (Thinking that St Johns--in Annapolis, not NY--would be one possible choice, although that would of course be an atypical situation.) And, if so, do said departments have any particular philosophical bent? Newsgroups: rec.arts.mystery From: "Janet Puistonen" Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 05:51:10 GMT Subject: Re: OT: Dogs & Crates - Need Help Oh, and another thing you can do is make sure you are using a crate that is small enough. If the crate is too large, she will be more likely to designate one end of it as the bathroom. --- From: "Janet Puistonen" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:08:25 GMT Subject: Re: OT: Speaking of pets "Jeremy" news:z6adndA0ycuczJLdRVn-vg@comcast.com... > "Janet Puistonen" > news:WkyPb.3003$kH2.1325@nwrdny01.gnilink.net... > > "Jeremy" > > news:gOedneSh4IibaZDdRVn-hA@comcast.com... > > > "JillBr" > > > news:20040120173345.01632.00000147@mb-m03.aol.com... > > > > vicki wrote: > > > > > > ]In any event, I understand that cats make tasty little > > > > > snacks for coyotes, so we've been keeping ours indoors > > > > > as much as possible. > > > > > > they do indeed. even owls will go after a cat. > > > > > [large enough owl] as will raccoons. > > > > > An owl near me picked up my neighbor's dog a week or > > > > two ago. Luckily it couldn't hang on and the dog just > > > > got scraped a little, but the neighbors with Jack > > > > Russells are watching them closely now. (The dog that > > > > was picked up is at least 15 lbs. heavier than the JRTs.) > > > > Jill > > > > This strikes me as fairly amusing. Does that make > > > me a bad person? > > > > Jeremy > > > Yes. > > > Owls carry away beloved pets to rip them open and eat them, > > and you think it's funny? > > Bad boy. Bad! Down! Stay! > > Janet [dog lover] > > As opposed to the family dog ripping apart a chipmunk? > Or the Fluffy the cat snacking on baby birds? > Jeremy, pleased that Miz Hannah is a tad too chunky to > go after small animals. Ahem. Official Verdicts: Dog vs chipmunk: sympathy to the chipmunk, but too bad. You must have been an inferior chipmunk if dog caught you. Never seen this happen. Chipmunks too quick and smart. Hope it didn't make dog sick to eat you. Rule in favor of dog. Cat vs bird: sympathy to the cat for need for entertainment, but too bad. People feed you. Leave the little birdies alone and exercise your hunting instincts by catching something nasty such as reptile or mouse inhabiting family house. [Note to mice: live outdoors in good health, move inside and die.] Rule in favor of bird. Sincerely, Ruler of All She Surveys Newsgroups: rec.arts.mystery From: "Janet Puistonen" Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:29:56 Subject: Re: OT: Speaking of pets "vj" news:rka210524esqo8kj0f3pi9c1dh9gpr2nse@4ax.com... > http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/la bradoodle.htm > http://www.labradoodle.org/Sit e/Home.aspx > http://www.labradoodle-dogs.co m/> > has anyone ever had one of these? There are tons of lousy scam breeders out there producing "doodles" of all kinds and other cross-breeds and ripping off ignorant dog buyers. Basically, these people are breeding mutts with no health testing or other qualifications, and the dogs they sell could be had at the local shelter for far less money. Not to mention the fact that you would be saving a life and not rewarding the kind of jerk who produces gazillions of puppies and sells them without contracts to anyone who asks, with the result that probably half of them end up in shelters or executed. RANT!! RANT!! --- Newsgroups: rec.arts.mystery From: "Janet Puistonen" Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 02:10:38 GMT Subject: Re: OT: Speaking of pets "vj" news:hbc3109inbd08emrpcd98msv8pn06ig3fj@4ax.com... > vj found this in rec.arts.mystery, from "Janet Puistonen" > > ]There are tons of lousy scam breeders out there producing > "doodles" of all]kinds and other cross-breeds and ripping > off ignorant dog buyers. > Basically, these people are breeding mutts with no health > testing or other qualifications, and the dogs they sell > could be had at the local shelter for far less money. > Not to mention the fact that you would be saving a life > and not rewarding the kind of jerk who produces gazillions > of puppies and sells them without contracts to anyone who > asks, with the result that probably half of them end up in > shelters or executed. RANT!! RANT!! > > i have no intention of buying one, Janet. > it was a "breed" they were talking about on CNN last night - > for people who have allergies. i just wanted to know if anyone > had one or had heard of them. > those were just the links that came up on Google. I didn't think _you_ did, hon. My rant was aimed more at the person who doesn't know any better. "Doodle" anythings are NOT a "breed" though, and I want to make sure that no one is led astray by their marketing. There is also no such thing as a "hypo-allergenic" dog. Some breeds of dog do _tend_ to trigger fewer reactions in allergic people than others. Poodles, for example. Also Bichon Frise. So if you have allergies, the thing to do is go visit a _reputable_ breeder of one of those breeds and spend some time rolling around on the floor with their dogs in their house and see whether it triggers your allergies. Or get a friend who owns one to come for a visit with the dog for the weekend. The last thing anyone should do is buy an overpriced mutt or random-bred "AKC registered" dog from some fake breeder on the Internet or from the local newspaper. Anyone who is thinking about getting a dog should go to the web site www.dog-play.com and read up. It is a great site, very informative and helpful to everyone, no matter what kind of dog you are looking for. Newsgroups: rec.arts.mystery From: "Janet Puistonen" Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:54:32 GMT Subject: Re: Dog shoots man trying to kill pups. "Mark Alan Miller" news:tfL1d.21014$CT4.4857@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com... > "Janet Puistonen" > news:skH1d.1855$Tg7.1130@trndny05... >> Mark Alan Miller wrote: > >> So are you saying that no one at all should breed dogs? >> Or that only farmers who breed mutts should breed dogs? >> Or what? > > No, I've never said any of that. What I've said all along is > that ALL people who breed dogs are contributing to the total > population of dogs and MUST be aware of that. That being > "serious" about breeding doesn't make you any less responsible > for the excess of puppies, despite how many papers you get > signed and how many promises you make about those puppies. But I have shown you endless evidence that they ARE aware of that. And that they, and they alone, take active steps to make sure that the puppies they breed do not add to the problem in this or future generations, and that they are the people who do breed rescue. There is direct proof that they ARE "less responsible" for the problem than anyone else who breeds a bitch. Do you seriously want them all to just stop breeding any litters at all for the forseeable future, leaving the mills and BYBs to fill the gap? Are you going to legislate that all people who want dogs MUST get one from a shelter for the forseeable future? Are you going to legislate that every single person who currently has an intact bitch--including those farmers you think are so wonderful--has to go out and have her spayed immediately? Are you going to legislate that anyone who abandons a dog should be jailed? Unless you are willing to take these draconian steps, you will not stop dogs from breeding. Of course, you'll have a problem breeding ANY dogs when you're done, since there won't be any intact bitches left, but oh well. You should reserve your ire for puppy mills and BYBs, and for the people who buy from them and in doing so keep the whole cycle going. "Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn. lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver: For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it. When he barks, use the line for a correction. - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar. Lynn K. "I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in one shelter.) But their ability to set their own schedules and duties causes a great deal of scheduling overhead. And it takes effort and thought to ensure that volunteers get the meaningful experience that they work for. Someone has to be responsible for that Volunteer Program, and it is best done by a non-volunteer." Lynn K. I'll be you've never had to put down litters of beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe you'd be singing a different tune? "Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer for the trash company to come and dispose of. No different tune," ~Emily "I'll bet you don't know a thing about me. I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter for a while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted animals. This however has nothing at all to do with responsible breeders, because responsible breeders don't contribute to that problem," Mustang Sally. "After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," racetrack silly. "Sally Hennessey" news:54nuetsqgkhp26qqv128jnumgmb2m27opr@4ax.com... Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our own dogs and their reactions better than someone who has never seen them or us...hmmm. I'm starting to see some similarities here. Sally Hennessey Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 Subject: Re: shock collars Sally Hennessey news:b8m1dtsv6vuiblo63h8ekqiforibadrff2@4ax.com... Aside from being incredibly offensive and self-righteous, this post shows and absence of knowledge in the differences in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps a lack of ability to perceive same. The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to whom corrections and discomfort, even pain, were unimportant does not mean that such dogs do not exist. What it means is that you don't know as much about dogs as you think you do, and you surely don't know a damn thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here. I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with one of her housemates; that dog had no fear or anything, and pain incurred during a fight meant nothing to her. I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many people here can tell similar stories. The fact that you, Alison, continue to say things to people such as what you said to Theresa about causing her dog to suffer (at least I guess that's what you meant by "you cause your dog suffers" - - must be the King's English you guys talk about over there) means that you are an ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person who is not worth further notice. Sally Hennessey "I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe. Humane is one of those hot words that people can debate all day so I won't touch that one. There are people who would call a regular chain link fence inhumane," liea altshuller. "You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn. lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs: "This Article Is Something We've Put Together For SF GSD Rescue From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com) Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats Date: 1999/11/20 ginge...@my-deja.com wrote: > How can I get him to quit chasing the cats. Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K. "Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in this situation. Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or whatever other reward system was being used." 8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is why you have the dog muzzled). If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your voice and the collar. This is important - the correction must be physically very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need to be corrected at all)." "I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in one shelter.) But their ability to set their own schedules and duties causes a great deal of scheduling overhead. And it takes effort and thought to ensure that volunteers get the meaningful experience that they work for. Someone has to be responsible for that Volunteer Program, and it is best done by a non-volunteer." Lynn K. "I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition. Should I have refused to groom them? Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter." Lynn K., Long term incurable mental case. Baghdad Bob > >> Lynn, looks like he got you there if these > >> quotes are true. > >> In the posts below you take responsibility for > >> making those calls. > >> In your post above, you state you do not > >> make those calls. > >> Which one is it? > As a rescuer I admire once told me, You mean sue sternberg. > "Never look back. If you do, you won't > be able to see the dogs who are looking > for your help today & tomorrow.". That so? Perhaps THAT'S HOWE COME it trHOWEbles you so when The Amazing Puppy Wizard QUOTES YOUR "OLD" posts. > Lynn K. BWEEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!! EVERY NEW POSTER KNOWS YOU'RE A LIAR A DOG ABUSER A COWARD AND A CERTIFIED LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASE. WORDS OF WISDOM from our own Lynn Kosmakos 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day For Twenty Years I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM "I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day. I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to learn more, while happily sharing pertinent information I have learned. But if I were ever to post such sh*t, I would hope that every other reader of this group would be rightfully outraged." "Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn the right to participate in by observing the easily understood rules and contributing to in constructive ways." Lynn K. ----------------------------------------- "It wasn't that meds didn't work for her - she wouldn't take them. I particularly remember a comment she made about scarey side effects of Lithium. Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of any side effect is far less frightening than the very real dangers of life without it." Lynn K. ------------------------------------- THAT'S INSANE. AIN'T IT. So's this: Here's professor dermer pryor: From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu) Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST And how do we know this aspect of his advice is right? Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible. His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis. (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the few regulars here who are either ill-tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.), --Marshall Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research at UofWI, marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM "NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation," dermer: "At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function. But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases then you will have achieved too things. First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased; and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher. How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted biting. **********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************ When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above). "No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog" to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p. BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!! That's INSANE. Ain't it. Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED: "We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work. God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer, Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI. From: "Marshall Dermer" To: "The Puppy Wizard" Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard, I have, of late, come to recognize your genius and now must applaud your attempts to save animals from painful training procedures. You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent, who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to alert the world to animal abuse. We are lucky to have you, and more people should come to their senses and support your valuable work. Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit charity to fund your important work? Have you thought about holding a press conference so others can learn of your highly worthwhile and significant work? In closing, my only suggestion is that you try to keep your messages short for most readers may refuse to read a long message even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard. I wish you well in your endeavors. --Marshall Dermer Subject: < BEFORE -> "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous, No Good Charlatan," < AFTER -> "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult Dog Lovers. 'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim. >Subject: Re: Fritz---a retrospective >Date: 02/05/1999 >Author: Robert Crim > You filthy, unctuous, no good charlatan. If you had > any idea of what dogs and dog people were about > you would realize the depths of the absolute loathing > and contempt I hold for you right now. Were it not > for the blessed distance and anonymity that the internet > gives us from the scummy likes of you, I would probably > be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile > of shit you really are Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh? Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! -- Dogman mailto:dog...@i1.net http://www.i1.net/~dogman =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:24:15 -0700, dogsnus <"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:> > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth! > Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. Robert Crim writes: I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it. This naive child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped his last gasp. To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog. Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake names are more honest than people that use their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and lived by their craft for decades. "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don't really care. > And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and > actually admit to buying and having success with his > little black box. I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll never know. > Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by > Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming > to him! LOL! I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right. >Terri Yes it was, and that is sad. Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box first?) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy, "you insipid piece of cow dung!" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." To: "Jerry Howe" Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400 Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business" and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising from professors of behavior analysis. I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson (Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house. There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior. Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose "The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to commercial) psychology. George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H. you may find my resume in Who's Who in Science and Technology From: "The Puppy Wizard" Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:26:31 GMT Subject: Dr. George VonHilshimer Writes: "No Loving, No Learning." HOWEDY People, Perhaps the PROBLEM is "TOO MANY WORDS?" From: "The Puppy Wizard" To: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:40 AM Subject: Fw: Counter Cruising must stop > From: "diannes" > Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:18 PM > Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop > > LeeCharlesKelley > > > I wrote: > > > > LeeCharlesKelley > > > > > On another note: I understand why someone > > > > > proclaiming a method that works on all dogs, > > > > > all the time, would send up "red flag" to you > > > > > and others, but the fact remains, if a technique > > > > > *doesn't* work 100% of the time, with all dogs, > > > > > then there must be a flaw in the philosophy > > > > > underlying that technique. > > > > Ditto for dog training. No failure nor flaw of method > > > > is involved - that's just acceptance of reality. > > > First of all, I didn't say that there was a flaw in the > > > method, though anyone is welcome to make that > > > leap. > > > I said there was a flaw in the underlying philosophy > > > and its model of learning. > > Correction accepted. I think that perhaps we are using > > terminology differently here. Here is my use of the terms: Jerry, I don't know where you find these folk who can't read. > In order to use negative reinforcement, one must > typically administer the aversive stimulus in order > to be able to terminate it. This is not negative reinforcement. Negative means no. Positive reinforcement =3D behavior emitted by dog, reward emitted immediately by trainer; Negative reinforcement =3D behavior emitted by dog, no response by trainer; Aversive reinforcement =3D behavior emitted by dog, aversive stimuli emitted immediately by trainer; The term "reinforcement is used only tentatively with "aversion" because aversive stimuli (aka punishment) typically derange learning and are not followed by clean learning curves equivalent to those which follow reward or positive reinforcement; Escape conditioning =3D dog has an aversive stimulus applied without any dog related reason and when behavior is emitted aversive stim is immediately turned off . There is some indication that Escape Conditioning works in a manner closely approximating reward; but, ear pinch? -- too aversive. I remind you that you should beat them over the head with "The Misbehavior of Organisms" by Breland and Breland, published in B.F. Skinner's CUMULATIVE RECORD. Ignored by most profs of psychology, but the distillation of his work. NO PUNISHMENT. Must pay attention to who is the animal? His evolution, his development, and his personal history - cannot train without respect for who is the dog? So says the BIG TIME operant conditioning guru - and you can also refer back to MARY COVER JONES (mother of scientific systematic psychology), no loving, no learning. I suppose I could wire up a dog so that his brain was badly interrupted and the loving method of puppy training might not work well - but it would still work better than the methods used by dominatrix and their ilk. Lovingly applied ethological techniques like the one espoused by the Wizard of ALL puppies work for all dogs, for that matter for all mammals higher than cat. Indeed, they will work for cats if trainer is warmly competent. You can see this in Key West on any sunny day. Housecats performing quite happily. Fondly, Dr. Von From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com) The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method I have studied canine behavior and dog training for years. I have a huge library that covers every system of training. The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced, the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training method yet discovered. It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically consistent manner. Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to understand the basis of his system and please follow his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece. It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed descriptions about why behavior problems occur and how their solution should be approached. One should not pick and choose from among his methods based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion. When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it produces for your dog the owner of his dreams. You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you will become the center of your dogs world, if you use Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15 seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to lie quietly and let me clip his nails). Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction / praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to train you dog to respond to your commands. What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would carry him in response to my recall command-and he comes running every time I call no matter where we are or what he is doing. At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and his Family Pack Leadership exercises. Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him, if you force him then his natural response is to oppose you. Is Jerry a nut? It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not. It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or hurting dogs. More than that, he knows that force is not effective and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems; sometime problems so severe that people put their dogs down because of those problems. I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been at our wits' end, haven't we? Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind to praise. Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise. You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate along with their anxiety. Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End Training Method as a scientific principle just as you would the law of gravity and you will have astounding success. Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity. If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry From: Mike (m.bidd...@ns.sympatico.ca) Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard? Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST > > Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said. > > Mike > Ok Mike which part worked for you? It helped clear problems from my dogs in the field using the can penny distraction technique. Works like a charm. My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie, retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team Leader. Sorry that slipped my mind. I have read volumes of training books and don't know where people get that Jerry copied others work as I have NEVER come across his methods before. I would like to see proof. Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to the way I wanted them but this is backward, you train out the problems leaving what you want left over. Funny part is the second dog who had the same problems as the other didn't need correcting for some of his habits after I cleared it from the first dog. Seemed he learned through osmosis. Nice side benefit there. It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party trainer as they were not performing well. The VAST majority of working dog trainers are agressive in their actions with the dogs. I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I was at my "Whits End" then someone I new turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history. I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual and all have had great results. Starting puppies out on the distraction technique is especially good because they never develop the habit. I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after 2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened in all my days. Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple. Mike "Ama...@DCFWatch.com" wrote: No, the dog learned that I would hold still the second she began to pull. She would pull to go where *she* wanted. Well if she wanted to stop and go in another direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard.. she learned if she wanted to do it I would stop walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't enough slack on her lead she would just pull me. Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go" and finish *my* thing. I would refuse to move .. i looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes waiting for *my* dog to heel and give *me* permission to go again. I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie. I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective.. we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them... and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was better than what she wanted.. which was not often. She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she could see my hands were empty. So I called Jerry... he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help at 10pm on a sunday night. One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and never had tension. two men were acrossed the street and she walked right by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us. And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he even looked like he was going near my husband or kids.. is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside.. actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since she's 19 months old and has never had a litter. She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half. She also does her commands on cue.. and doesn't look for a treat. From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." Subject: Doggy advice Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below. I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything. I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very competent at living with dogs. I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about dogs doing this and that, for example: whining, humping, hunching, pacing, self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking, spinning, prolonged barking, barking at shadows, overstimulated barking, fighting, bullying other dogs, compulsive digging, compulsive scratching, compulsive chewing, frantic behavior, chasing light, chasing shadow, stealing food, digging in garbage can, loosing house (toilet) training. inappropriate fearfulness aggression. The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of the intervening time working with animals (including the human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related). You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans. As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving care. George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate, Academy of Behavioral Medicine "Linda" I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age. I do not know what started the problem but he came aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone and could play with any dog. He was well socialized ad I took him with me everywhere. At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens Test except he could let me leave him. I had used clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but it was not working on his aggression problem. I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet, trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse. They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not working as he was becoming more aggressive. I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse. I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed have the people stop until he could get in control using treats, and work on clicker training. At that point I knew more about clicker training and using the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he would not come when I called him and would run away when I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who hasn't trained her dog" I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one said I should give up on him and kill him but they would say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are responsible for him." *(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.) As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog. He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could not believe him even when I downloaded the manual. The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End. I had been working for 18 months! Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the can sound and he looked at me like uhn? I used it three more times and we got to the other dog- -the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked on by. When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at me like "you must be out of your mind" The results can make a believer!!! Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader in a busy shopping area with many dogs. He just seemed to not notice any one. When people talked to him or ask his name he would look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him. I still can not believe the change in him--we can now enjoy life out in public. If I had not found the Wits End method I know there was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me. My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!! I know most people would have given up on him a long time ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ but only with the right approach-sound and praise. I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D From: Linda Daniel To: Jerry Howe Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would have but many people would have. The world just does not know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually solve problems. We will be here until late April and we really have no plans- -just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be happy to come to you anytime anywhere! We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy. He really just is not concerned about people passing, even those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!! Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes. I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!! I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having a problem with other people and dogs. I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with treats--one really good suggestions was to have people coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused and not move until we backed away- - can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street until I get his attention with treats. They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac- but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make him less fearful and then he might attack or become more sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice. ---------------------------------- ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ `6_ 6 ) `-. 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Stumpy wrote: > How do I set my news reader to ignore any posts that are >10KB in size? > > 99% of them are worse than a waste of time. > > This is a very useful group if I have a problem to figure out, but it is = > weird when I read some of the posts. Sort of disturbing. Is there a > moderated version available? I suppose selective blocking is an option. Then you'd miss HOWET on all THIS GOOD STUFF: HOWEDY pat, unsurreality_2005@yahoo.com wrote: > AnimalBehaviorForensicSciencesResearchLaboratory@HushMail.Com wrote: > > HOWEDY Feel_Free_To_Spam_Me, > > > > feel_free_to_spam_me wrote: > > > Hello. I was wondering if anyone could > > > provide some input regarding my issue. > > > > You're askin liars dog abusers cowards and > > active acute chronic long term incurable > > mental cases for advice for the same problems > > they got that they can't deal with. > > Enough is enough. NOT till The Amazing Puppy Wizard makes everyWON of HOWER LYING DOG ABUSING PUNK THUG COWARDS get the heel HOWETA HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Forums <{); ~ ) > > Let's just talk about what Jerry You mean Jerry HOWE, The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) > HE'S the most talked abHOWET subject on these forums. > AssHowe says about everyone else: > > 1. You are a liar > 2. You are a dog abuser > 3. You are a coward > 4. You are an active acute chronic long > term incurable mental case INDEEDY. AND THEN HE PROVES IT, pat. When The Amazing Puppy WIzard SEZ SUMPTHIN HE BACKS IT UP IN WRITING by CITING the ACCUSED POSTED CASE HISTORIES, pat. > Well, let's examine: > > 1. Jerry has been PROVEN a liar CITES PLEASE. > more times than you press the brake pedal on your car. You mean by the LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS and ACTIVE CHRONIC ACUTE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES whose POSTED CASE HISTORIES HE CITES, pat. > 2. You are a dog abuser CITED BY THEIR OWN POSTED CASE HISTORIES, pat. > if you give one correction. You mean JERK CHOKE and SHOCK innocent defenseless dumb critters, pat? You CAN'T TRAIN a dog NEARLY INSTANTLY by HURTING and INTIMIDATING IT, pat: ballzde...@gmail.com wrote: > Well I am happy to reply that so far after 10 > minutes of work and the cans from mr Howes guide, You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) > > I have instilled the "come" command to Riley. Good. You mean INSTALLED the come command as a conditional reflex. Be SHORE to perform the EXXXORCISES four times in each of four locations. > He is an extremley smart dog, I have never had > to go to the third or fourth try. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > 3. This is the funny one - "you are a coward." ONLY A COWARD would ABUSE a innocent defenseless dumb critter and LIE abHOWET it, pat <{); ~ ) > > How many times have others said they'd > meet AssHowe in person, yet he refused. There's been ONLY TWO regular posters who've ASKED and BEEN REFUSED an audience with The Amazing Puppy Wizard. Those were 1. Robert Crim who DIDN'T NEED to work with The Amazing Puppy Wizard IN PERSON as he'd REHABILITATED HISSELF and 2. leah roberts, a PROVEN LYING DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASE who's WORD is WORSE THAN POISON, like your own, pat. "Leprechaun" news:m01Hc.20882$uK.16329@twister.tampabay.rr.com... > Jerry believes he's a dog trainer. Fortunately, I happen to believe he is too. I took a rescued three year old beagle that had been kept outside all of its life that didn't even recognize or respond to its name to Jerry's home (That ugly cinder block shack??? get real) and in just over one hour of working with the dog, he was coming on command (not a quickly as he does now, but still...) and walking with us on a loose lead. His "hot/cold" exercise and "come when called" command and pack exercise WORK! > and in all likelihood he's never even been near a dog. Well, he's been near mine, and done wonders for him. You don't have to like him. You don't have to agree with his method |
