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Re: Stop the Meth Labs !
2005-05-06 22:51:37
Dane Metcalfe wrote:
> " "- Prof. JonezŠ"" > news:E0tde.329$d05.2980@news.uswest.net... > > Dane Metcalfe wrote: > > > "BananaRepublican" > > > news:georgew.k-7640C6.07005701052005@corp.supernews.com... > > > > washingtonpost.com > > > > A Remedy for the Meth Epidemic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The answer is clear: Follow the Oklahoma model. Oklahoma last > > > > year > > > > passed legislation requiring that cold medicines containing > > > > pseudoephedrine be moved behind the pharmacy counter. The > > > > result: > > > > an 80 > > > > percent drop in the number of meth labs seized. This law works. > > > > We > > > > should copy it. > > > > > > *GREAT* idea! Then the meth can be replaced by "ice', whatever > > > the $^% THAT > > > is, and so subject the user population to the serious detrimental > > > health > > > effects being seen in Oklahoma now, said health consequences being > > > unknown > > > in the heinous meth days. > > > > "Ice" is simply smokable "meth", like "crack" it is the base > > molecule > > without the HCL salt attached to it. > > > That's what they say, bit, I'm not sure I'm in agreement. For one > thing, I > read somewhere A scientific chemistry journal? > that ice is a different compound, In the sense that it is methamphetamine minus the hydrochloride, the "free base". >and another thing, > all meth > is smokeable, Sure, and so is Cocaine ... the problem is, with the HCL attached, upon heating/burning and inhaling, mixed with the moisture H2O in the lungs, the HCL becomes Hydrocloric Acid -- not very lung tissue friendly over the long (or short) term use. Removing the HCL from the base molecule, creating a "free base" eliminates that rather pesky problem. > provided it isn't adulterated with too much unsmokable > cut. > > > > > > > > > > > > My idea is for ya'll ppl to take your many and varied guv-mental > > > "protections" and stick them deep into your rectums, where they > > > most > > > properly belong, stupid asses. > > > > > >
2005-05-07 00:29:29
" "- Prof. JonezŠ"" news:_PXee.97$fq.5398@news.uswest.net... > Dane Metcalfe wrote: > > " "- Prof. JonezŠ"" > > news:E0tde.329$d05.2980@news.uswest.net... > > > Dane Metcalfe wrote: > > > > "BananaRepublican" > > > > news:georgew.k-7640C6.07005701052005@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > washingtonpost.com > > > > > A Remedy for the Meth Epidemic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The answer is clear: Follow the Oklahoma model. Oklahoma last > > > > > year > > > > > passed legislation requiring that cold medicines containing > > > > > pseudoephedrine be moved behind the pharmacy counter. The > > > > > result: > > > > > an 80 > > > > > percent drop in the number of meth labs seized. This law works. > > > > > We > > > > > should copy it. > > > > > > > > *GREAT* idea! Then the meth can be replaced by "ice', whatever > > > > the $^% THAT > > > > is, and so subject the user population to the serious detrimental > > > > health > > > > effects being seen in Oklahoma now, said health consequences being > > > > unknown > > > > in the heinous meth days. > > > > > > "Ice" is simply smokable "meth", like "crack" it is the base > > > molecule > > > without the HCL salt attached to it. > > > > > > That's what they say, bit, I'm not sure I'm in agreement. For one > > thing, I > > read somewhere > > A scientific chemistry journal? No, it was an internet site providing manufacturing methods (for informational purposes only, of course!) for various compounds. Give me a few days and I'll ask around how they are making this ice stuff. It's been explained to me a frw times before, but my attention wandered, as I really don't care to know all that much about it, as an extended stay in the DOC has no appeal to my libertarian views of an acceptable lifestyle. Somehow they are "growing" the ice crystals in some type of solution where the crystals accumulate on dental floss, seems like. > > > that ice is a different compound, > > In the sense that it is methamphetamine minus the hydrochloride, > the "free base". > > >and another thing, > > all meth > > is smokeable, > > Sure, and so is Cocaine ... the problem is, with the HCL attached, upon > heating/burning and inhaling, mixed with the moisture H2O in the lungs, > the HCL becomes Hydrocloric Acid -- not very lung tissue friendly over > the long (or short) term use. Oh.I know someone whose throat constricted and resulted in a doctors consultation who advised that it was a result of drug abuse. When the patient advised of 12 years of IV meth use without problems, the Dr. retorted that obviously something had changed, whereupon it was revealed that the drug had changed from meth the ice. The patient instructed that previous contraventional effects from the ice had resulted in a 12 abstaining from using it, whereupon the first initial reintroduction had resulted in the reaction attributableto said consultation. It was my conclusion,based upon re-telling of the tale by the affected party that the ice had accumulated a blood plasma level in his body that had saturated to the extent that it had stayed in his body for the duration of that time. I'm sure he would appreciate any comments that might be passed along. > Removing the HCL from the base molecule, creating a "free base" eliminates > rather > pesky problem. > > > provided it isn't adulterated with too much unsmokable > > cut. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My idea is for ya'll ppl to take your many and varied guv-mental > > > > "protections" and stick them deep into your rectums, where they > > > > most > > > > properly belong, stupid asses. > > > > > > > > > > > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----
2005-05-06 23:02:32
Gee how shocking. I guess that the fine folks who manufacutre this poison
don't give a shit about who uses it. "Dane Metcalfe" news:427c5328$1_2@127.0.0.1... > > " "- Prof. JonezŠ"" > news:_PXee.97$fq.5398@news.uswest.net... > > Dane Metcalfe wrote: > > > " "- Prof. JonezŠ"" > > > news:E0tde.329$d05.2980@news.uswest.net... > > > > Dane Metcalfe wrote: > > > > > "BananaRepublican" > > > > > news:georgew.k-7640C6.07005701052005@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > washingtonpost.com > > > > > > A Remedy for the Meth Epidemic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The answer is clear: Follow the Oklahoma model. Oklahoma last > > > > > > year > > > > > > passed legislation requiring that cold medicines containing > > > > > > pseudoephedrine be moved behind the pharmacy counter. The > > > > > > result: > > > > > > an 80 > > > > > > percent drop in the number of meth labs seized. This law works. > > > > > > We > > > > > > should copy it. > > > > > > > > > > *GREAT* idea! Then the meth can be replaced by "ice', whatever > > > > > the $^% THAT > > > > > is, and so subject the user population to the serious detrimental > > > > > health > > > > > effects being seen in Oklahoma now, said health consequences being > > > > > unknown > > > > > in the heinous meth days. > > > > > > > > "Ice" is simply smokable "meth", like "crack" it is the base > > > > molecule > > > > without the HCL salt attached to it. > > > > > > > > > That's what they say, bit, I'm not sure I'm in agreement. For one > > > thing, I > > > read somewhere > > > > A scientific chemistry journal? > > No, it was an internet site providing manufacturing methods (for > informational purposes only, of course!) for various compounds. Give me a > few days and I'll ask around how they are making this ice stuff. It's been > explained to me a frw times before, but my attention wandered, as I really > don't care to know all that much about it, as an extended stay in the DOC > has no appeal to my libertarian views of an acceptable lifestyle. Somehow > they are "growing" the ice crystals in some type of solution where the > crystals accumulate on dental floss, seems like. > > > > > that ice is a different compound, > > > > In the sense that it is methamphetamine minus the hydrochloride, > > the "free base". > > > > >and another thing, > > > all meth > > > is smokeable, > > > > Sure, and so is Cocaine ... the problem is, with the HCL attached, upon > > heating/burning and inhaling, mixed with the moisture H2O in the lungs, > > the HCL becomes Hydrocloric Acid -- not very lung tissue friendly over > > the long (or short) term use. > > Oh.I know someone whose throat constricted and resulted in a doctors > consultation who advised that it was a result of drug abuse. When the > patient advised of 12 years of IV meth use without problems, the Dr. > retorted that obviously something had changed, whereupon it was revealed > that the drug had changed from meth the ice. The patient instructed that > previous contraventional effects from the ice had resulted in a 12 > abstaining from using it, whereupon the first initial reintroduction had > resulted in the reaction attributableto said consultation. It was my > conclusion,based upon re-telling of the tale by the affected party that > ice had accumulated a blood plasma level in his body that had saturated to > the extent that it had stayed in his body for the duration of that time. > > I'm sure he would appreciate any comments that might be passed along. > > > > Removing the HCL from the base molecule, creating a "free base" > that > > rather > > pesky problem. > > > > > provided it isn't adulterated with too much unsmokable > > > cut. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My idea is for ya'll ppl to take your many and varied guv-mental > > > > > "protections" and stick them deep into your rectums, where they > > > > > most > > > > > properly belong, stupid asses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption
2005-05-07 11:54:29
A good explanation about ice, which IMHO should be added to the
wikipedia, is here: http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/blg/2005/04/ice-crank-speed-methamphetamine.html Yachaj Paye >>No, it was an internet site providing manufacturing methods (for >>informational purposes only, of course!) for various compounds. Give me a >>few days and I'll ask around how they are making this ice stuff. It's been >>explained to me a frw times before, but my attention wandered, as I really >>don't care to know all that much about it, as an extended stay in the DOC >>has no appeal to my libertarian views of an acceptable lifestyle. Somehow >>they are "growing" the ice crystals in some type of solution where the >>crystals accumulate on dental floss, seems like.
2005-05-07 14:04:40
Yachaj Paye wrote: > A good explanation about ice, which IMHO should be added to the > wikipedia, is here: > > > > Yachaj Paye > > > >>No, it was an internet site providing manufacturing methods (for > >>informational purposes only, of course!) for various compounds. > >>few days and I'll ask around how they are making this ice stuff. > >>explained to me a frw times before, but my attention wandered, as I > >>don't care to know all that much about it, as an extended stay in > >>has no appeal to my libertarian views of an acceptable lifestyle. > >>they are "growing" the ice crystals in some type of solution where > >>crystals accumulate on dental floss, seems like. Thank you! The link requested gave me the info to do a google search, and lo and behold, the following link, which i believe is the very link i referred to above, if memory serves me correctly http://www.beyond-the-illusion.com/files/Mirrors/HyperReal-Archive/drugs/stimulants/FAQ-4-Methylaminorex
2005-05-07 20:22:22
On 7 May 2005 14:04:40 -0700, :
IT'S a Simple RE-CRYSTALIZATION of a supersturated solution. Using a dual solvent system. With a 12 hour slow chill to digest the smaller crystals recrystalization different solvents=3D different shapes ethanol and acetone isopropyl alc. and acetone crystals, powder, funk are disolved in alc then filtered the alc is evaporated, at 1st sign of crystal formation. add 10x - 20x = volume acetone heat it up , let it cool slowly, then freezer for 12 hours for larger crystal longer freezer time, slower chilling >Yachaj Paye wrote: >> A good explanation about ice, which IMHO should be added to the >> wikipedia, is here: >> >> >http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/blg/2005/04/ice-crank-speed-meth= >> >> Yachaj Paye >> >> >> >>No, it was an internet site providing manufacturing methods (for >> >>informational purposes only, of course!) for various compounds. >Give me a >> >>few days and I'll ask around how they are making this ice stuff. >It's been >> >>explained to me a frw times before, but my attention wandered, as I >really >> >>don't care to know all that much about it, as an extended stay in >the DOC >> >>has no appeal to my libertarian views of an acceptable lifestyle. >Somehow >> >>they are "growing" the ice crystals in some type of solution where >the >> >>crystals accumulate on dental floss, seems like. > > >Thank you! The link requested gave me the info to do a google search, >and lo and behold, the following link, which i believe is the very link >i referred to above, if memory serves me correctly > >http://www.beyond-the-illusion.com/files/Mirrors/HyperReal-Archive/drugs=
2005-05-08 07:25:14
Are you aware that the 2 components of hydrochloric acid, Hydrogen ions
and cloride ions, are normally distributed throughout the body. Hydrochloric acid refers to bubbling HCl, which is a gas, through water, giving at most you can get a concentration of 37% HCl in H20. But, with cocaine or methamphetamine, you do not have free HCl gas coursing through your lungs. As a matter of fact, when you smoke, you smoke the freebase, which has been sepearated from the conjugate acid. Your logic is flawwed. But even if you were able to smoke the HCl, this still would cause no great issues due to the HCl moiety. Acid cause problems in very concentrated states. Coca-cola is very acidic (pH~2). But it does not eat away at your stomach lining. Your stomach can tolerate very acidic conditions (pH~1). MobiusDick |
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